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  "text": "I wonder how much of the meetings is talking about the stuff at the meetings. Yeah, exactly. Look at all this stuff, man. Okay. Right. So what do we need to talk about? Should we just go around and everyone says what they, what they've been doing? Has anybody done anything? Number one. Well, I hope so. Yeah. Okay. Sounds like you've done some of this. Okay. Well, I've got a browser now, which— whoops. Already gone. Good start. Oh, I dropped mine as well. Good at this. This wasn't a good start. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, we've got a browser which comes up automatically with the transcription box and the topics. And then when you go on the menu, you can select the summarization box, which pops up, and an audio player. Right. And I think the search works as well. So you can pop up a search. And it loads up just the background window, so empty. And so, when you start, you have to either open a particular observation or do a search and open it through that. Does that make sense? The transcription box has got a summarize button which doesn't do anything yet. Now, I wonder how we want to do— we want a popup window with the speaker characterization. Either we could do that, you know, when does the popup come? Either we can, when you click on the ID, any sort of ID in the transcription box, or we can put an extra button, extra few buttons next to the summarize button so that you actually in the transcription box, but so that you click on a button and then it opens whatever that speaker characterization is. The problem is, The left-click is already used because it highlights that part of speech or whatever that— what he is saying. The left-click or the right-click? The left-click highlights it. Right. Can you double-click it? I do not know what happens when you double-click, actually. But that would be a bit annoying if you have left-click for one thing and double-click for something else. I think— so yeah, when you left-click it, you can, for example, set Set the marker there so that the audio goes from there, I think. So we can't put it on left-click. We could put it on right-click. We could, for example, have a little menu that pops up. Yeah, that might be quite good, I suppose. So right-click on it, menu, you know, and you can click on speaker characterization, pops the window. What else could we have in the menu? That's a good point. I don't know. Otherwise we just have right-click will do. I don't know about you, but usually in Windows, right-click doesn't do anything, does it? It opens a menu. A menu, yeah. That's what everybody does. So it might be a bit weird for it to just start bringing up stuff, wouldn't it? Yeah. To just have the same sort of idiom throughout. Yeah. Yeah. Or just, you know, or just a button. I guess a button makes a bit more sense because otherwise you don't really know that, oh, what if I right-click now? What happens then? Well, no, you still have the menu pop up. Well, oh yeah, it's more obvious, isn't it? It's more idiot-proof, isn't it? It's got a button. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's more intuitive. So then it's not as accessible. Like, if you want to add more things in the future, then we have to add new buttons. Where's the menu? I think it's more flexible that way. Yeah, well, I guess in In Meeting Browser 1.1, you can have a menu instead of a button. But actually what we could do is on— in that menu as well, we could have an option that pops up a window with all the, all the meetings that that user has been in, like a search for that user. Yeah. Is that going to be useful or too much? I guess so. So what do you— part of the menu that comes down says, give me all your meetings or something? Yeah. So when you right-click on it, one option will be, give me all your meetings, characterize the speaker. Yep. Or is that too much? I mean, I don't know. I guess so. I mean, it's more like part of the browsing. Sort of thing more than the speaker characterization. As Steve mentioned, I don't really know how to involve the speaker characteristics into the browsing. Yeah, that's true. You can also have it interconnected. Yeah, maybe tie that in with dialogue acts or something as well. I mean, speaker characterization tied into, I don't know, just some way to sort of leverage that information. Like, we have it, we're doing it, but what— how does it help the browsing? Or what can it give us? Well, you mean the speaker characterization? Oh well, yeah, I mean, I don't know about that. I mean, the speaker characterization is a bit like you said. I mean, it's like a nice thing. We don't— we're not actually sure what the user wants with it, but it's interesting, so why not give it to him? Yeah, yeah. I think we should do it. I mean, I guess maybe we could have that as another thing of like, well, if you get the speaker characterization that someone's talks a lot in a certain topic. And then if you, I don't know, click on that topic, you get everything that's in that topic or whatever. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's still another level further. I mean, we're not even there yet, you know. No, no, no. It doesn't pop up the speaker characterization yet. We have to first define what happens when you click on a user. We have to have a speaker characterization first before we cross any of the other bridges. So should we try to do a right-click menu then? Yeah. All right. Why not? Is that just from the main? Even if any one thing comes in. Is that from any particular window? Like if we want to sort of get— like if we're on the users versus like a topic or something, have a right-click for these various things? Yes. Wait. Yeah. There's a second thing about the topics. The topic window. We want to somehow click— be able to click on a topic and it pops up with all the meetings that contain that. Right. Yeah. So we could do that in a similar way, do it right-click as well. Okay. So this lot is more consistent throughout. Yeah. On the speaker. So yeah, this lot is— so we have basically 2 options of browsing the meetings is by either searching and opening individual observations and then we have the interlinking by right-click basically. Right. Actually, yeah, like another common thing, like if we have it so it's set up that if you double-click and it goes to a default thing on the menu, I mean, that's kind of a typical kind of action. Double-click? If you double-click on a particular topic or something, then it goes to sort of like a default view. So it'll be like all the cases of that topic, either whatever we decide the default to be, whether it's in all meetings or just in one meeting and just show up the particular instances of that topic in the meeting. Like, I'm just thinking to have the default there so if somebody knows exactly what they want to do, and we know that that's the most common thing that's going to happen, so the double-click will do that and just save them the trouble of right-clicking and choosing the item on the menu. I don't see there's anything obvious that was— that would be able— you know, that would be— Might come to us. Start playing with it. What was that? I didn't quite understand. Do you mean— Like, we have the right-click menu. Yeah, right-clicking. But instead of Like, have a default double-click. Oh, so it'll be a choice for the end user. Figures out what's the most common use to double-click. Like, I don't know, show the speaker characterization. Yeah. But then there's the problem with a lot of windows popping up again. And they pop up without you even being quite sure what it is, you know what I mean? Yeah. But if you do double-click on something, don't you expect something to happen? Yeah, maybe sort of. Sometimes you do it by accident. Oh, go away! Stop coming up! Then you close it. Yeah, it's not the end of the world. Especially if you have a touchpad. Yeah, yeah. I'll check what it does on double-click at the moment. Yeah, because I think it might do something, but I don't. I really don't see anything obvious that— I mean, if you can think of something, but— I don't know. Sorry. I guess it depends on the— yeah, what you're clicking on, obviously. Yeah, another thing— Single audio files, do we want to use them or not? We don't know yet, do we? Do you mean single channel? Yeah, single channel files. Do we want them? Probably not, but we might need them for disfluencies if we try to do it in audio. Yeah, we might use them at the moment to work with them, but do we want to integrate them so that when you browse you can— We might want to be able to say, oh, just give me what that person is saying. Do you though? It's not going to make much sense if you listen to it on its own, do you? Unless you can't hear it properly or something, somebody's talking over somebody else or something. We'll just say no for now and put it in later. Yeah, because otherwise it will increase the amount of data we need by a lot, won't it? The footprint will be bigger. Yeah. What do people think in general about the windows cluttering that you mentioned? Do you think things are— I think we probably need that though, to have the full flexibility. We need to have that. That's what I feel as well. I mean, I'm very much— I want to have everything customizable. Although the thing is typically though, is someone going to have 5 windows open at the same time? Probably not. Probably not, no. Probably just 2 or 3 of whatever they're looking at, like dialog acts or whatever. But yeah, it depends. I mean, I really want to put the summary in somewhere, you know. And the summary, for example, is typical. You open the window, you read through it, you might click on, you know, close it again straight away. Yeah. But it'd be good to have it there. No, I think it's fine. But well, couldn't we, I mean, you probably, I don't know if you want to have like the full transcription and the summary at the same time. So maybe you can just like choose the same window for transcription and summary. Just like have a tab there or something? I was just thinking of tabs. Yeah. Tabs are nice. Yeah, tabs are good. Mozilla style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. Does anybody know how to do that? Can you do that in Java? I don't think Java knows how to do that really. Maybe you probably can. I'm sure. I'm sure you could do anything if you really knew what you're doing. But I don't know. It's a bit of a cripple, Java's windowing toolkit. Sometimes it's a bit of a cripple. Yeah, I can have a look. Yeah. Yeah. Or just, I don't know. But yeah, that might be another way. Change the contents of the same window. Yeah. From transcription to summary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or even just have buttons on it. Toggle buttons or something on the toolbar for that window. Hmm. Just something. Yeah. Different ways we can do it. It doesn't have to be a tab. No, no, it could be like transcription summary, like 2 buttons and you just press on whichever. Or checkmarks even have 2 of them. That will reduce the number of windows we needed, wouldn't it? Which is quite good. Because otherwise Photoshop has a lot of windows. If you ever use Photoshop, it's got loads and you're always forever going, oh, get out of the way. There's always stuff in the way, isn't there? Yeah. I don't know why. But I mean, people get used to it. I mean, when you use Windows, Or Linux for that matter. You have a lot of windows open. You do. Do you manage them? Yeah. True. Yeah. Unless, can you— I suppose you can minimize them and stuff like that. Yeah, you can minimize them. Can you do that? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, well, that's all right. Yeah, of course you can actually. Yeah, like a lot of these can be like, once we get the disfluencies out, then we can, you know, have transcript without the disfluency, transcript with the disfluency. Yeah, that's true. They're easy to do. Using the same window. Yeah, they're definitely going to be in the same window. And probably mutually exclusive. Yeah, that was the plan for the discrepancies anyway. So yeah, do you want to do that with summaries then? Put the summaries in the same window? Mutually exclusive? Yeah, well, I don't know. With transcripts, it sounds reasonable to have like Transcripts, like maybe three alternatives then, like full meeting, meeting without disfluencies, and summarize. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to do that? That kind of makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, sounds good. Yeah. And finally, the prototype he spoke about. What kind of prototype could we produce? By the end of February? Because I'm just, you know, I go into the lab and I say, right, what am I going to change today? You know, and it kind of just develops. I'm not aiming for anything. Do we want to aim for something? I'm pretty much getting there anyway, to be honest. It's not going to be a lot more work. I guess it is. I mean, just to try and I mean, for us to be able to do something that we can include with your thing. Yeah, that's what we need. Something just slightly more than just that on its own. Yeah. Just so we can see the integration works between the different components. Yeah, definitely. So I guess that's what we need to aim for. I think that's kind of what he meant as well, isn't it? Really seeing it sort of start to do stuff rather than just Oh, I see. And prototype of the GUI. Yeah. Well, I guess, I mean, that was probably our intention, but we might not have written it down. Yeah. Actually, is the code accessible? Like the GUI stuff that you've done? Like, can we just like copy like the latest stuff out of your directory somewhere? Like if we're going to just try and like take a look or something. I don't know. Can you access other people's— If you make it world-readable, then anybody can. If you just tell us the directory and just make the file readable, then we know the directory to get in then. Yeah, sure. I don't know if it's readable at the moment, but you can sure have a look. I think by default they are. No, they're not world-readable. They're only default. Then only you can read them. You can see them, but you can't read them. Okay. Right. Well, I'll make that readable then. So the directory is my number. Or you could just email to us. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not difficult. What's your number? Okay. It's in all the emails. Yeah. Your number? No. 0455560. Say that again. 0455560. And then it's— and then there's a folder NLSSD. And it's called the M Browser. The M Browser. Yes, M for meetings. I hope you never have to look in my directory. It's just pure chaos. No, I'm extremely organized. I've got folders for everything. I love folders. Mine is serious chaos. Files everywhere. Yeah, so that's me done. Someone else want to talk about their stuff? Don't all jump at once. I can tell you what I've done in SB2. Oh, I don't know. I basically started browsing a bit, just trying to see if there's anything out there to use. What were you doing again? Yeah, search. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Found a tutorial that inverted search indexing, but I haven't played with it yet. Like that was behind the question she asked him earlier. Yeah. Oh yeah. Reusing code and stuff. It's just like. All right. That's pretty much it. Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's usable. I haven't looked at it, but but I found some code. from a tutorial about indexing. Cool. So even if it doesn't work, you can jiggery-pokery around and make it work. Yeah. We'll probably still have to do some other file management, file creation, messing around, all sorts of nonsense. But yeah, the basics is there. Okay. That's handy. So you think it shouldn't be too difficult? I don't know. I was a bit worried about when— well, when he We talked about this with the file, messing around with files. I mean, how much do we actually need to do, like extracting things from the XML files and stuff to be able to do the indexing? Oh, I see. Yeah. You have to convert it to some sort of format, I suppose. Yeah. I've been trying to write something to read the XML and get rid of it. And I can get rid of it, but I'm having trouble putting it anywhere else. So it'll come up on the screen. But at the moment I haven't managed to put it into a vector or whatever in Java to play with it. Are you writing in Java? Yeah. Okay. Have a look at the browser code then, because, you know, they already extract, for example, transcripts. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they do. That's a good idea. Yeah. Oh yeah, I will. I'm sure it's not very difficult. I'm sure I'm making a meal of it at the moment, actually. Yeah, I guess, I mean, it was a good point you had that, like, collaborating with Foul. I mean, if you already started on doing stuff, I guess we can— Should share as much as possible. Libraries. Yeah. Should we, I don't know, meet up and see what we can do? I mean, I don't know, see what you've done and see what we need when we know more what we need, maybe? Next week sometime. Yeah, exactly. I actually haven't done anything this week because this week's been manic. Yes, exactly. What do you mean? This week's only 2 days old. Well, whatever it was last week. The week as is rather than the proper week, you know what I mean? It's been all a bit manic the last— But you're in SP and LP and SP2, right? That's right. And then we had to do an IRP, whatever it was last week as well, which is only a page long, but it's quite difficult to write a page. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. That was complete rubbish anyway. It was. It wasn't bad, but it was— I had to sit there and think about it for a bit, which was Yeah, but SPNLP. So yeah, I was thinking the weekend probably. Yeah, we're going to start attacking this seriously and just hopefully have something by next week that we can sort of try integrating into the GUI. Yeah. Well, so the browser as I use it now, or as it was there when I took it. It uses the NXT search to get the data out of the files, which I think is odd, but I'm not quite sure how it works yet. I don't quite understand it. So when it— To get the data, for example, to get the summarization data, you have to search for, I think, the IDs or something. Yeah. That's pretty bizarre, isn't it? I guess that's like where it's got— that is pretty bizarre. So they don't, you know, they don't say look in that and that folder, but they say search everything. That is pretty bizarre, right? Well, they did say it wasn't the most efficient. It does load up quite quickly, so it's not too bad. Okay, but you know, but what, what is it, like a window where you have to write it search query or is it just what's behind it? So, or— No, this is not the actual search. This is just when you open, you know, to load the transcript, for example. Yeah. To find the transcript for a certain meeting, it does an NXT search for the string, I don't know, transcript or text or whatever. For, and it, what, like it just has an open variable transcript, this, whatever. find everything that's got that and then load. So I don't know if you've looked at the search query language, but it's like a $a text, say. Yeah, yeah, because that's the guy who declares a variable, doesn't it? And then, yeah, because every, every year all of these, these files have got an ID and all the transcript files have got the string. I don't know what it is, words or text something in it. So it just searches for those files. Okay. Right. Vaguely. When you like, is there an open thingy or what do you like, what did you do to like, how did you figure out that this uses Nixt search? Like, is it— Well, it's in the code, just that it, you know, you define a search object and then you search that string. I had to figure out how to How to do the same thing for the summary. That's how I had to understand how to do the transcript, how they did the transcript to do the summary myself. So did you have to write it in the way that they wrote it? Is that what you did? Yeah, just search for a specific string. All right. So you could just, you know, you could use that when you, if you want to take the data out. Fish the data out. I was just thinking that. Yeah. If you have a question about what the code means or where to find the code that you want to, you know, whatever you want to do, then just send me an email. I can explain it. Have you annotated your code nicely? Oh yeah, actually in the moment it's got a load of rubbish because the browser that I used from, you know, that they gave us I had a lot of extra stuff in and I haven't dared to throw out all the functions I have. Just in case. Just in case. Mission critical. Yes. So they're all in there yet. Still a lot of rubbish, but it will be chucked out right at the end, I think. Commenting it out one bit at a time and running it. Yeah, exactly. Get rid of that next. Yeah, precisely. Good fun. So basically we got to go and do some work, really. Yeah, that's the answer to that. Isn't it? Long and short of it. Weekend? The weekend's still 4 days off. Yeah, 4. Still at the bottom of the mountain. How many hours is this? I don't actually have that much to do at the moment. Well, should you want to explore any other— How's your quantifier raising? Yeah. I can't remember what I'm supposed to do, by the way. Am I supposed to do the summarization thingy-bob? I don't know. Who was doing that? You do. Oh, really? Well, I'll do that then. These can be changed. Shall I do that then? I don't know, it doesn't matter. If you want to, I mean, it's just, you know, play around with some extra stuff. You have some time, why not? It shouldn't be too difficult, right? Yeah. So what courses should I have picked? Are we not doing any work? Yeah, well, I'm doing communications, which we had one exercise and I've done that like 2 weeks ago. That's in 2 weeks. Informatics? Yeah, it's like 9 courses or 10 or something. And then I'm doing Parallel Programming Languages and Systems, which we had one exercise as well, and that's in like Friday. Well, I'm not doing any background readings. Sorry. I'm just happy. Yeah. I'll be happy when this week is over. I'll be happy when this course is over. Yeah. Is that about it then? No. Anything else we need to discuss? Did we want to meet before we talk to Steve next week? I don't know. We'll probably get some work done over the weekend. So I don't know if after D&LG or something, maybe just have a little quick little update and just— Yeah, if you like. Yeah, we can always decide then. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So what are you planning to do over the weekend then? Search. You're going to do the search? You're going to implement the search? Sure, why not? It couldn't be that hard. Still a limited version of the next query search. But I don't know. It won't be the whole thing. But we can just decide sort of the things that we do want to do. Well, actually, what was it? Just dialog acts. What else was there? Summary, topics, transcript. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's just that I think we need to set ourselves some milestones because otherwise, you know, yeah, it'll get weeks behind schedule. Yeah, pretty quick, like you're saying. Yeah. Well, actually, do we want to set a date for interim prototype? Specifically a date? When was— well, you decide. I'm not doing much for that project. The progress report is June 23rd, February. Of February. So what's that, 2 weeks? Um, yeah. Well, how about we get it done by then? I mean, ish. Yeah, then we can write about it in the in the interim report. Yes. You know, now we've got something to show. Yeah, just looking at my own deadlines. Oh, and the search interface, maybe you should decide pretty early what kind of things you want to be able to search for. And then if you want, you can give that to me and I'll build you nice, you know, a few tick boxes and dropdown menus. Wasn't like what you had now, wasn't that pretty much what we agreed on? Or was it just like that one? That doesn't exist. That's completely cut and pasted. That does not exist. Nicely done though, isn't it? It's quite impressive actually. It's actually all these things are nicked from, you know, all these dropdown menus and tick boxes are nicked from Google online. A screenshot of Google. That's not— I'm impressed. Maybe you should make it exist then. It's going to be a little difficult, more difficult. Yeah, I mean, I was going to, but the whole dropdown menus and stuff, what we want to search for is not quite agreed on. We never agreed on what we want to be able to search for. No, it's not, is it? Yeah. Decide on that over the weekend. Yeah, do you want to just get together and think about the different types of search we could possibly do, and then we could discuss at next meeting which options we really want to include? That would probably involve researching the query language a bit as well to see what that can do. Yeah. It would be nice to, I don't know, meet up and you can sort of show us a bit what you know already so we don't sort of have to do all the work again of just like figuring out stuff. Oh, just like the basics? No, already. What? Just like accessing the corpus and stuff. Just like all the unseen the code and just sort of how just see the basics of what you've done, like just get a quick look over and just can take us for a tutorial or something. Yeah. You know the class paths, all that sort of thing. Just say okay well here's yeah everything's basically set up and then just yeah you know just show you the code. Next week sometime in the morning. Yeah. Well this time I am dictating. You can't do The whole thing is, you know, something like that could happen anytime because, yeah, like my schedule is like a class, break, class, break, class. Yeah, it's not going to take an hour. Yeah, I know. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So something like that. And then if I have a class, I can run off and do whatever. Pick your time. Yeah. Um, yeah, Monday might be good. Yeah. Well, Monday. What do you think? Yeah, this Monday. Just anytime. Monday afternoon. Not at noon or 2 or 4. No, in between those, yeah, like 1 or 3. 3 o'clock? Sure. Actually, yeah. Possibly. 3's all right. It was— what time's the NLG? 4, isn't it? It's 4, yeah. Unless you want to do it after— Yeah, that's an option too. Yeah. After deal. Sure. 3's good though, but yeah, whatever. What would you prefer? Or 3:30. I just, yeah. Well, it doesn't matter to me. 3:30 in the computer room in here, and then we can just go in there though. If you can't, can you get in the front door? Oh, you haven't got a key, do you? Can none of you get in there? Well, we can get in through the— This computer room's in here, the MSC computer room. I've not found that yet. Well, if you find me, I'll show you where. I'll let us all in there. We can look now afterwards. You do need to have a key for it though, that's the thing. It's got a locked door. Just bang on it. Yeah, somebody unlocks it. I was actually asking Steve about that, whether we can get in there, whether he was going to get us access into there. Into what? The computer room. Okay. Yeah, it's only got— it's crap, it's only got about 4 or 5 computers in, but it would do quite good for our job because it can all sit around, it's not very— not many people in it very often. Is there a printer in there too? Yeah, there's a printer in there, and there's a photocopier with the code on it. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Well, I'm the photocopier. I've heard of it. Assignment. I've got it on my computer. Yeah, all the comments, I'm thinking. So what time do we say? I just think it's better to do it afterwards, then we have all the time we need. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, than have half an hour and then we'll literally run out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. As long as DMLG doesn't go late. Hopefully it's not that man, so it won't matter. Actually, it's not even confirmed yet. What? She doesn't even know what she's talking about yet. Maybe it doesn't happen at all. It's reading week next week. It should be. Should it really? Well, it's supposed to be next week. It's week 6 next week. I don't think we have a reading week though. I don't know. We have one class at least when we— like speech perception, we don't have any lectures, but I think we have in like all other classes. I don't think there was an official one last semester. I think it was just a bank holiday, wasn't it? Something like that. I think some classes did and some classes didn't. Yeah, which would have been bizarre really. They didn't really know what was going to happen. I think the undergraduates were told. I think it was up to the professor whether they did it or not. Well, I don't feel like teaching. Yeah, okay. No, make them work. Yeah, I think DIL will probably have one to make up for it. For missing classes. What? DIL will probably— Yeah, we will probably have— yeah, yeah, last week. Okay, let's meet Monday. Yeah, um, I guess that's it. Was there anything else? Do anyone of you want to like take care of this, or should I take care of it? Oh, we trust you. Yeah. I don't know if there was something. I think he basically said the same things as in the comments, if I could read it. Can you read that? The top one? Do you really want multiple windows from a single app? From a single app. But most will probably Want to go with defaults. Yeah, well, that was what they said. Yeah, I think your comments are basically the same as what you said. Yeah, exactly. And just the other comment about whether you want to do both speaker characterization and topic segmentation. No. Yeah, that's about it. Oh yeah. Not terribly exciting. Yeah. And now we have 7% of the course already done. It's pretty good. Tick the okay box, right? If you're okay with having signing off, innit? Yeah. Okay. Should we turn these off then or what? We're done now. Is she still here? Yes, you are. Yeah.",
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